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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at the situation this way... He is simply a man who holds the expectation that he will ultimately get his way in these types of situations...and that belief is rooted in his religious background and upbringing...

Secondly, there&#039;s an old saying that essentially states that when a person shows you who they are believe them/take them at their word. The man isn&#039;t lying to you or anything like that and you should have a clear sense of what his expectations are...

That being said, you need to ask yourself a question. Is this something you can tolerate? He said himself that he wasn&#039;t likely to change, so the ball is essentially in your court. You need to decide is this the type of man that you need to be with and will respect your wishes and feelings. Obviously I don&#039;t know this man and he very well may have a lot of other things going for him, but you need to ask yourself whether or not this kind of thing is a deal breaker.

 Finally, I have one question... In today&#039;s society and considering the state of the economy, what is wrong with a &quot;less traditional man&quot; asking you to help with the cost of a vacation or other things.

 I have always believed in treating women with the utmost respect and as equals, but there is another side to that idea that many women (not all) don&#039;t seem to understand. Being treated a an equal means that we should share the burden (financially speaking) equally, does it not? I&#039;m not saying that a man shouldn&#039;t treat his lady to dinner, but what&#039;s honestly wrong with going half on a dinner or with a woman treating her man to a meal every now and then? How is that an insult? When it comes to dating and relationships there are always going to be trade-offs.

In a more traditional relationship, a man may be willing to be the bread-winner in some cases, pay the bills and prefer that his wife be at home or something to that effect, but when that happens and he is the one earning the money, he&#039;s going to have ALOT more say in how it is spent, not to mention likely have certain expectations when he gets home as well. 

 Make no mistake,  I am not being hypocritical in this situation because if a woman were the primary bread-winner, then I would expect her to have more say with regards to financial matters as well, but you are going to ultimately have to decide what is more important to you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at the situation this way&#8230; He is simply a man who holds the expectation that he will ultimately get his way in these types of situations&#8230;and that belief is rooted in his religious background and upbringing&#8230;</p>
<p>Secondly, there&#8217;s an old saying that essentially states that when a person shows you who they are believe them/take them at their word. The man isn&#8217;t lying to you or anything like that and you should have a clear sense of what his expectations are&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said, you need to ask yourself a question. Is this something you can tolerate? He said himself that he wasn&#8217;t likely to change, so the ball is essentially in your court. You need to decide is this the type of man that you need to be with and will respect your wishes and feelings. Obviously I don&#8217;t know this man and he very well may have a lot of other things going for him, but you need to ask yourself whether or not this kind of thing is a deal breaker.</p>
<p> Finally, I have one question&#8230; In today&#8217;s society and considering the state of the economy, what is wrong with a &#8220;less traditional man&#8221; asking you to help with the cost of a vacation or other things.</p>
<p> I have always believed in treating women with the utmost respect and as equals, but there is another side to that idea that many women (not all) don&#8217;t seem to understand. Being treated a an equal means that we should share the burden (financially speaking) equally, does it not? I&#8217;m not saying that a man shouldn&#8217;t treat his lady to dinner, but what&#8217;s honestly wrong with going half on a dinner or with a woman treating her man to a meal every now and then? How is that an insult? When it comes to dating and relationships there are always going to be trade-offs.</p>
<p>In a more traditional relationship, a man may be willing to be the bread-winner in some cases, pay the bills and prefer that his wife be at home or something to that effect, but when that happens and he is the one earning the money, he&#8217;s going to have ALOT more say in how it is spent, not to mention likely have certain expectations when he gets home as well. </p>
<p> Make no mistake,  I am not being hypocritical in this situation because if a woman were the primary bread-winner, then I would expect her to have more say with regards to financial matters as well, but you are going to ultimately have to decide what is more important to you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zarathustra</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarathustra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Briefly, the issue was not whether the Bible uses the word &quot;submit,&quot; but whether the norms of the Bible should govern adult relationships.

My answer, more so now than before, is &quot;no.&quot; Notice that nothing is mentioned of the husband submitting to the wife. But the larger issue is this: why speak of &quot;submission&quot; at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly, the issue was not whether the Bible uses the word &#8220;submit,&#8221; but whether the norms of the Bible should govern adult relationships.</p>
<p>My answer, more so now than before, is &#8220;no.&#8221; Notice that nothing is mentioned of the husband submitting to the wife. But the larger issue is this: why speak of &#8220;submission&#8221; at all?</p>
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		<title>By: ErinBerin</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>ErinBerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BIble specifically uses the word &quot;submit&quot; several times in at least two passages (see below). If you are not a Christian Zarathustra (and I presume you are not), then I would not expect you to understand. 

Ephesians 5:21-28:
21) And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. 

22) For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23) For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. ... 24) As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

25) For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her.... 28) In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.

Colossians 3:18-19
18) Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting for those who belong to the Lord. 19) Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BIble specifically uses the word &#8220;submit&#8221; several times in at least two passages (see below). If you are not a Christian Zarathustra (and I presume you are not), then I would not expect you to understand. </p>
<p>Ephesians 5:21-28:<br />
21) And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. </p>
<p>22) For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23) For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. &#8230; 24) As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.</p>
<p>25) For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her&#8230;. 28) In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.</p>
<p>Colossians 3:18-19<br />
18) Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting for those who belong to the Lord. 19) Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarathustra</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarathustra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Love should, however, induce submission/obedience.&quot; That just *has* to be wrong. Why would one even use such words when talking about an adult relationship? 

The appropriate terms are, perhaps, &quot;conversation,&quot; &quot;sacrifice,&quot; and &quot;commitment.&quot; If the bible teaches otherwise, then so much the worse for Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Love should, however, induce submission/obedience.&#8221; That just *has* to be wrong. Why would one even use such words when talking about an adult relationship? </p>
<p>The appropriate terms are, perhaps, &#8220;conversation,&#8221; &#8220;sacrifice,&#8221; and &#8220;commitment.&#8221; If the bible teaches otherwise, then so much the worse for Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: ErinBerin</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>ErinBerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree whole-heartedly with Tamika. That scripture applies to marriage only. If you two are considering that path, then your guy needs to be aware that the Bible also instructs husbands to love their wives. Love does not mean control. Love should, however, induce submission/obedience. And as Tamika said, the act of submission should come naturally and easily, as it does in my marriage. My husband does not tell me what to do; rather, we discuss matters and when he makes a plausible argument to his side (which he usually does), I have no problem making concessions. 

Nonetheless, the fact that your guy is still having frequent &quot;boy&#039;s weekends&quot; suggests that he is not ready for marraige anyway. People get married to &quot;settle down&quot;, which means leaving that lifestyle behind. Any good husband not only understands that, but wants it too. Further, it is issue within itself that your guy does not want you in the same city where he is - because it provides indication that he is probably behaving inappropriately and does not want to get caught. That should be a deal-breaker for you. 

Many blessings in what you decide to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole-heartedly with Tamika. That scripture applies to marriage only. If you two are considering that path, then your guy needs to be aware that the Bible also instructs husbands to love their wives. Love does not mean control. Love should, however, induce submission/obedience. And as Tamika said, the act of submission should come naturally and easily, as it does in my marriage. My husband does not tell me what to do; rather, we discuss matters and when he makes a plausible argument to his side (which he usually does), I have no problem making concessions. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, the fact that your guy is still having frequent &#8220;boy&#8217;s weekends&#8221; suggests that he is not ready for marraige anyway. People get married to &#8220;settle down&#8221;, which means leaving that lifestyle behind. Any good husband not only understands that, but wants it too. Further, it is issue within itself that your guy does not want you in the same city where he is &#8211; because it provides indication that he is probably behaving inappropriately and does not want to get caught. That should be a deal-breaker for you. </p>
<p>Many blessings in what you decide to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamika</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mama,

I actually don&#039;t think his issue is about respect. It&#039;s more about his insecurities as a man or just plain ignorance.  There are a lot of RED flags in your relationship that you should not ignore.

I am a christian woman and I believe in the same scriptures your boy friend does however, he&#039;s applying scripture that should be applied to MARRIAGE and not a dating situation.  I&#039;ve always been a believer that if my HUSBAND is doing the things that he should be doing, being submissive/obedient to his wishes will come naturally, but more importantly easily. So if you&#039;re ONLY dating and bumping heads on so many important principles, such as freedom...You should definitely take heed to your personal concerns and issues with this man. 

I commend you in standing your ground and if he walks away...I&#039;m sure, no positive. It&#039;s a blessing in disguise.

Good Luck Mama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mama,</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t think his issue is about respect. It&#8217;s more about his insecurities as a man or just plain ignorance.  There are a lot of RED flags in your relationship that you should not ignore.</p>
<p>I am a christian woman and I believe in the same scriptures your boy friend does however, he&#8217;s applying scripture that should be applied to MARRIAGE and not a dating situation.  I&#8217;ve always been a believer that if my HUSBAND is doing the things that he should be doing, being submissive/obedient to his wishes will come naturally, but more importantly easily. So if you&#8217;re ONLY dating and bumping heads on so many important principles, such as freedom&#8230;You should definitely take heed to your personal concerns and issues with this man. </p>
<p>I commend you in standing your ground and if he walks away&#8230;I&#8217;m sure, no positive. It&#8217;s a blessing in disguise.</p>
<p>Good Luck Mama!</p>
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		<title>By: thelogicalone</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>thelogicalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?!?!? this doesn&#039;t even sound like a real situation...if it is I don&#039;t understand the need to ask if you should leave him...that should have been answered when he said his first &quot;obey&quot;...if you are old enough to be looking at potential husband suitors, then please for the life of you RUN!!!!!!! he sounds like he shows signs of an eventual beater...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?!?!? this doesn&#8217;t even sound like a real situation&#8230;if it is I don&#8217;t understand the need to ask if you should leave him&#8230;that should have been answered when he said his first &#8220;obey&#8221;&#8230;if you are old enough to be looking at potential husband suitors, then please for the life of you RUN!!!!!!! he sounds like he shows signs of an eventual beater&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ceciline</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceciline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree with all statements, having traditional values is great but his choice of words and overall attitude towards your wishes sound amazingly bold &amp; almost hostile. if your girls trip gets trumped by his frequent boys trip in an entire city, one woud think it will only get more complicated from there...good luck with your new guy, something tells me he may end being a great guy friend that you respect and admire-but not necessarily your husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with all statements, having traditional values is great but his choice of words and overall attitude towards your wishes sound amazingly bold &amp; almost hostile. if your girls trip gets trumped by his frequent boys trip in an entire city, one woud think it will only get more complicated from there&#8230;good luck with your new guy, something tells me he may end being a great guy friend that you respect and admire-but not necessarily your husband.</p>
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		<title>By: karebear</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>karebear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy seems unhealthy.  Leavetheguy is right, he&#039;s trying to dominate you.  You said it yourself, since when is disagreement disrespect?  A man that can&#039;t take no for an answer is a danger.  Run, don&#039;t walk, away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy seems unhealthy.  Leavetheguy is right, he&#8217;s trying to dominate you.  You said it yourself, since when is disagreement disrespect?  A man that can&#8217;t take no for an answer is a danger.  Run, don&#8217;t walk, away.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarathustra</title>
		<link>http://www.corneringcupid.com/2009/11/24/masked-control/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarathustra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Leavetheguy. You have got to get out, now. This guy is absolutely ridiculous. You should have zero respect for his opinions. Zero!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Leavetheguy. You have got to get out, now. This guy is absolutely ridiculous. You should have zero respect for his opinions. Zero!</p>
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